There’s so many…just cultural barriers to the way that people perceive themselves as leaders and that I would say talk to people who have gotten to higher positions. I don’t know anybody certainly in the Asian American community who would turn down a request for going out for coffee or for lunch. To to ask questions, to act as a mentor, and – but take the initiative. You have to take the initiative.

The mantra that I give to young Asian lawyers, especially women, is I say you know you have that being asked three times thing and I said the first step is you...when somebody asks you if you want something you say yes. The next step is that you you tell them what you want. And so you’re no longer waiting for somebody to ask you. You tell them, you tell people what you want and you get it.